cimarron 1885 high wall 45-70

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cimarron 1885 high wall 45-70

Post by howell1000 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:04 pm

Hi new to the forum I have a Cimarron 1885 high wall 45-70 dbl trigger I would like to get into long range shooting what do I need to do to get started any info would help . thanks

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Re: cimarron 1885 high wall 45-70

Post by John Boy » Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:46 am

I would like to get into long range shooting
* A good vernier rear sight (3" staff) and a good front globe sight with inserts & a bubble level. MVA - Shaver - Baldwin sights are top of the line. Expect to pay $500 plus for sights to shoot long range out to 1000yds
* A good read for the rest of the 'stuff' related to reloading ... http://bpcr.net/site_docs-results_sched ... _trenk.htm
For bullets : Dan Theodore Money Bullet - Creedmoor or Postell. Buffalo Arms website will give you one stop shopping including the sights
Reloading Press & Dies - Lee Precision
Digital Powder Scale ... http://www.dx.com/s/1.7%22+LCD+High-Pre ... 4+x+AAA%29
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Re: cimarron 1885 high wall 45-70

Post by howell1000 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:16 am

Thanks for the info

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Re: cimarron 1885 high wall 45-70

Post by Brent » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:32 am

Because you list a .45-70 and Long Range, I'm going to strongly suggest you consider a bore-diameter, paper-patched bullet of around 520 grs +/- 15 grns (erring on the lighter side of that range). The reason being that most grease groove bullets need a lot more case space leaving less for powder and hence less velocity. At long range, more velocity is your friend.

Not saying it can't be done. It can. I've seen it and seen it done well too, but paper patching will be so much easier in this instance. The .45-70 is the ideal long-range cartridge when used with paper-patched bullets and 80+ grns of Swiss 1.5 fg.

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Re: cimarron 1885 high wall 45-70

Post by Brent » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:35 am

One more thing, if you already have a good-quality, midrange soule on that highwall, you can probably reach to 1000 yds without much trouble. At least I can and have with my highwall. it does depend on a few other issues, notably the height of your front sight (shorter being easier to use with a midrange).

Also, if you don't have a bubble level in your front sight, I would strongly suggest one. Distant Thunder makes the one I prefer.
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Re: cimarron 1885 high wall 45-70

Post by Brent » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:44 am

This is arguably the best bullet mould you can buy for the .45-70 (assuming 18" twist) to use in long-range match shooting.

http://www.buffaloarms.com/Bullet_Molds ... ?TERM=.443

That was for the double cavity version.
Here is the single cavity...
http://www.buffaloarms.com/Bullet_Molds ... ?TERM=.443
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Re: cimarron 1885 high wall 45-70

Post by howell1000 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:56 pm

thanks for info I think the gun is a 20 twist what you recommend ?

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Re: cimarron 1885 high wall 45-70

Post by Brent » Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:16 pm

20 twist? hmmm. That makes things much much harder. Certainly for long range. I don't have an answer off the cuff, but probably a bullet not more than 500 grs as fast as you can throw it (3fg) and as pointy as you can find.

But first, measure the twist know for certain. Measuring it is not hard to do. Let us know if you need help with that.

BTW, where are you located? In all likelihood, help is near by.
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Re: cimarron 1885 high wall 45-70

Post by howell1000 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:21 pm

I am in WV how do you measure twist?? never done that? thanks

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Re: cimarron 1885 high wall 45-70

Post by Brent » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:37 pm

I'll hope that someone that direction will speak up. Where do you plan to shoot long range? In competition?

To measure twist I do the following - it is easier to do than it is describe
1. I put a tight patch (or two) on a jag on a rod that, preferably, has a rotating handle.
2. Start the rod into the rifling at the breech
3. Take one piece of masking tape and tape it to the rod right at the end of the barrel stub, effectively where the back of the cartridge would be if there was a cartridge fully seated in the chamber.
4. Take a second piece of tape and, up near the rod handle apply the tape so that it wraps around the rod and then the two ends of the tape come together, adhesive touching, to make a flag sticking straight up.
5. Now slowly feed the rod into the barrel. If necessary, help the rod rotate clockwise so it does not slip on the rifling or the patch slip on the jag. Feed the rod in until the tape flag has fully rotated and has returned to the straight up position.
6. Place a third piece of tape on the rod, even with the end of the barrel stub again.
7. Extract the tape and measure from the front edge of the first piece of tape to the front edge of the last piece of tape.That will tell you how many inches it took for one rotation.
8. Repeat this 3-4 times, until you are getting a consistent reading each time. That should give you the number, probably an even number, and I'll hope that it is 18".
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Re: cimarron 1885 high wall 45-70

Post by howell1000 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:43 pm

Thanks for letting me know how to do this ill give it a try tomorrow thanks a lot for your info its hard to find long rang shooting in WV I might look in ohio

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Re: cimarron 1885 high wall 45-70

Post by Ohio3Wheels » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:22 pm

Nothing I know of in Ohio. There is some long range shooting at Camp Attabury in Indiana.

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Re: cimarron 1885 high wall 45-70

Post by Brent » Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:07 pm

Oak Ridge in Tennessee has 1000 yds. I'm not up on localities in the east that reach out to 1000. Ridgeway maybe has a gong or two, but I don't think they have pits and target machines. However, what the OP means by long range could be something different. I'm just hoping he has an 18" twist on that rifle.
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Re: cimarron 1885 high wall 45-70

Post by DRCook » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:32 am

Where in W.V. ? One of the ranges I belong to has targets boards at 600. It is close to New Philadelphia in Ohio, straight up old US 250 from Bridgeport and Wheeling. But once again, it all depends on where you are at as to how far you drive.

It is Tusco Rifle Club and you have to join to shoot there. It is a nice place to belong to.
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Re: cimarron 1885 high wall 45-70

Post by howell1000 » Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:11 pm

sorry took so long to get back I live in point pleasant wv on the ohio river so far its a 1:20 twist I talked to texas jacks

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