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WW+Lead

Post by jgh4445 » Sat Dec 14, 2013 4:33 pm

Is there a "mix" you can shoot using pure lead and wheel weights that will approximate Lyman #2 or a 20-1 or 30-1 bullet? I know I can use one pound of 95-5 solder to 20 or 30 lbs lead, but wheel weights have antimony in them. Would it work as well?

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Re: WW+Lead

Post by montana_charlie » Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:32 pm

jgh4445 wroteCOLONIs there a "mix" you can shoot using pure lead and wheel weights that will approximate Lyman #2 or a 20-1 or 30-1 bullet? I know I can use one pound of 95-5 solder to 20 or 30 lbs lead, but wheel weights have antimony in them. Would it work as well?
There's no way to approximate Lyman #2 with wheel weights and pure lead (even if you add more tin) because the W/W doesn't contain enough antimony.

But, for a 'fairly soft' alloy in the 14-1 to 16-1 range, w/w and pure mixed half and half will work pretty well. I would also toss in enough tin to equal the antimony content (which is about 2% after the 'dilution' with pure lead).
As a matter of fact, 96/2/2 is a very stable alloy that holds a single hardness over a loooong time. Hardness has been tested to be ~10.2 BHN.

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Re: WW+Lead

Post by jgh4445 » Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:46 pm

96 2/2? I'm not sure I understand. I've only cast pure lead for my BP guns and pure WW for my 45LC and 44 Mag handguns. ( I keep the 44's down to 44 special velocities) I'm new to this add tin, add antimony ( whatever that is) stuff.

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Re: WW+Lead

Post by Barry Miller » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:56 am

Try 50% Pure Lead and 50% Wheel weights and add 3 to 4 inches of tin. I think you'll find it works. Best wishes Barry Miller

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Re: WW+Lead

Post by Ranch 13 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:59 am

I like to mix ww about 2-1 with pure lead.

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Re: WW+Lead

Post by montana_charlie » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:29 pm

jgh4445 wroteCOLON96 2/2? I'm not sure I understand. I've only cast pure lead for my BP guns and pure WW for my 45LC and 44 Mag handguns. ( I keep the 44's down to 44 special velocities) I'm new to this add tin, add antimony ( whatever that is) stuff.
Okay, we can go slow ...

Here is your original questioning with some new information.

Is there a "mix" you can shoot using pure lead and wheel weights that will approximate Lyman #2 or a 20-1 or 30-1 bullet?

- Lyman #2 alloy is 90% lead (Pb), 5% antimony (Sb), and 5% tin (Sn). That alloy is written as 90/5/5 and the hardness is 15.2 BHN.
- 20-1 bullet alloy is 20 parts of lead to 1 part of tin, or 95% lead and 5% tin. Written, it looks like 95/5 and has a hardness of 7.8 BHN
- 30-1 is the same idea, with 30 parts of lead to 1 part tin, so it will be a little softer than 20-1.

When you see a lead/tin bullet alloy written as 95/5, you know it's 95% lead and 5% tin.
But, when you see a 'lead-free solder alloy' written 95/5, you should understand that means 95% tin and 5% 'something else' - usually silver.

The wheel weight alloy that you have been using is (about) 95.5% lead, 4% antimony, and .5% tin.
If you mixed 5 pounds of wheel weights with five pounds of pure lead, the ratios would be (like) 97.75% lead, 2% antimony, and .25% tin.
In weights, that works out to 9.775 pounds of lead, .2 pounds of antimony, and .025 pounds of tin.

An alloy does real well (for making bullets) if the amount of antimony and the amount of tin are equal. Therefore, you would get that ratio in the mix if you added .175 pounds (2.8 oz.) of tin.

Then, you would have (very close to) 96/2/2 alloy.

Get it, now?

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Re: WW+Lead

Post by gussy » Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:38 pm

I used this quite a few years ago.

This is right out of the Lyman "Cast Bullet Handbook", you might want to find a copy:

"Recipes for mixing your own #2 alloy" (Each makes 10#):

9# WW
1 pound 50/50 solder

OR

4 pounds linotype
1 pound 50/50 solder
5 pounds pure lead

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Re: WW+Lead

Post by jgh4445 » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:19 am

Got it. Thanks guys.

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