My perfect plinking load

Discussion of BPCR loading techniques, SAFETY, Case Cleaning and Prep, Indexing, BP Choice, Primers, Wads, Compression, Drop Tubes, Vibration, Load Testing, etc.
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My perfect plinking load

Post by zrifleman » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:08 pm

I have used this load or one similiar to it for years for accurate plinking where no blow tubing or wiping is needed. Today I tried a new bullet with great results. 502 gr Paul Jones 45007 1-20, 6 grs 3031/64 grs Goex Cartridge, .035 wad compressed .625 below case mouth, WW brass, Fed 210 primer, my lube. All shooting started and ended with the 600 yd pig at Angeles range. After 25-30 hits it was hard to see new hits. This load is close to perfect in my Axtell Lower Sporter with a 1-20 twist.

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Post by h_m_pope » Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:32 pm

You did not say but I assume you are shooting a .45-70. I am not surprised that your rifle shoots well with 20 inch twist as this was commonly used at long range "in the day". Have you ever tested for group from bench rest?

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Post by zrifleman » Sat May 05, 2007 10:36 pm

Sub 1" 5 shot groups @ 100 yds.

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Post by Chick Brewster » Wed May 30, 2007 4:47 pm

Have you tried this without using a duplex load? I'm looking for a nice all around load myself but have not delved into duplexing...

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Post by zrifleman » Wed May 30, 2007 7:58 pm

Chick--Thanks for asking. I shoot on the average 500 rds a month and have for several years. Yes I do shoot straight BP when prepaing for a match or shooting one that requires it. I don't want to spend more time cleaning than shooting. I also believe duplex loads like mine are more accurate than straight BP. Where I shoot here in Kalifornia my shooting partners and I shoot a lot of 200 yd SCR paper targets and out to 600 yds at steel targets. Give my pet load a try--load up 50 rds and tell me how it works for you.

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Post by Ranch 13 » Thu May 31, 2007 8:30 am

Z have you ever tried 25 grs of 5744 with your 500 gr bullet against your duplex load for accuracy?

I shoot that load quite abit when I don't feel like cleaning cases. It shoots into the same group and same sight settings as my bp load.

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Post by zrifleman » Thu May 31, 2007 7:14 pm

Ranch---I started using MP5744 when it was first introduced as a repackaged military powder. It was great stuff and burned clean. When that ran out AA didn't have it for a few years. The new 5744 leaves a lot of unburned powder in the barrel and accuracy wasn't as good. I wouldn't hang my hat on it for another reason. It is out of production. I have always liked SR4759 better---it's been around forever and has a much longer better history as a BP substitute powder. Look in the oldest reloading books you can find and you will find SR4759. As to which load ismore accurate, I will bet on the duplex. I was shooting a regulation size 200 yd silhouette pig at 600 yds--no blow tube--a damp patch about every 20 rds. Some observers couln't even see the pig--I hit it 8-10 times. Try my load--it will make you a believer.

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Post by Ranch 13 » Thu May 31, 2007 7:52 pm

Z I was just curious as to whether you had tried it or not.
I find 5744 to give the best accuracy with cast bullets in all my rifles. 4759 hasn't ever really lived up to its billing for me , neither has 4227. 2400 works somewhat but doesn't seem to give me the best accuracy in rifles until the velocity is way past bp loads, but I do really like it in handguns.
I like 3031 in the 45-70 with jacketed, but not fond of it with cast in any cartridge.
I do from time to time get some good results with 4198, both the H and I models.
:D As to duplexing , thank you no. I like my whiskey straigh :lol: t, I like my powders all one flavor at a time as well. :D

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Post by zrifleman » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:48 pm

Ranch--I used IMR 3031 for years with PP bullets in 45-70. I got one group that went 1/2 for 5 shots @ 100 yds using a 557 gr PP bullet. IMR 4198 is a good choice for cast bullets in a wide variety of cartridges. 26-27 grs of 4759 with 400-420 gr bullets worked great for me in bunch of guns.

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Post by Ironramrod » Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:27 am

I shoot a lot of H4198 in a .45/70 with a 405 gr. FN LBT bullet with good results. Do you guys have any info re: H4198 as a duplexing powder in a .45/70? If so, what proportions of H4198:ffg Goex black powder?

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Post by zrifleman » Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:42 pm

You know the old saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Been using this duplex combo for more than 25 yrs with great success. On the bright side, it probably will work ok. Since H-4198 is a little faster back off the charge a little.

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