training with the 22

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training with the 22

Post by jmdavis » Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:06 am

Does anyone use the 22 as a training aid. I have shot small bore and gong matches at the local club with the 22 singleshot (an Uberti 1885 with a Crossno liner). I have also shot reduced High Power and 200 yard matches with 22's.

But does anyone use a 22 specifically to train for the chickens at 200 or scaled paper targets at 200?


Thanks,


Mike Davis

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Re: training with the 22

Post by Brent » Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:41 am

I certainly do. I use is a lot for chickens with a scaled 50 m chicken in my backyard.

I also use an air rifle for the same reason, scaled down to 30 ft for shooting inside when the weather is ugly.

Using a .22 at 237 yds gives about the same wind effect as a .45 bullet at 1000 yds in terms of minutes of angle corrections, so it makes a good tool for practicing long range shooting as well.

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Re: training with the 22

Post by martinibelgian » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:24 am

In my experience, the .22 is harder to get to shoot well than a BPC rifle - The .22 does require absolute shooter consistency from shot to shot, more than a BPC rifle. My 32-20 has about the same MV (with BP ofcourse), but is - for me at least - much easier to shoot than a .22 Match rifle at the longer ranges (75-100m). So yes; it would benot good, but excellent practice.

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Re: training with the 22

Post by .22-5-40 » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:23 am

Heres what I did...Always being interested in the 1000yd. Creedmoor matches of the 1800's, but with my work constraints..probably have to wait awhile before being able to take part in these long range matches..I did the next best thing. My home range is only 100yds. so I reduced to scale the original 1000yd. Creedmoor target for 100yd. shooting..printing it on heavy paper stock..I used both the early square and later round bulls eye. Using a 1930's era BSA 12/15 .22 target rifle and iron sights that 10 ring looks like a pencil dot! I shot without sling or rest..and didn't do too bad for not having shot prine for years! Lots of fun!

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Re: training with the 22

Post by Ranch 13 » Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:01 am

jmdavis wroteCOLONDoes anyone use the 22 as a training aid. I have shot small bore and gong matches at the local club with the 22 singleshot (an Uberti 1885 with a Crossno liner). I have also shot reduced High Power and 200 yard matches with 22's.

But does anyone use a 22 specifically to train for the chickens at 200 or scaled paper targets at 200?


Thanks,


Mike Davis
The 22 bpcr silloutte matches are great training/practice for the regular bpcr matches.
Bryan Youngberg at the Casper Wy, 22 matches has added a 22 creed moor match, where he uses a 7 ring muzzleloader target at the pig, turkey and ram lines. 10 shots for score. It's a great lot of fun and a serious challenge to your shooting skills.

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Re: training with the 22

Post by jmdavis » Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:52 am

Thanks everyone. I shoot the 1885 with liner in our gong matches which are a hunter pistol ram at 75m. This duplicates a full sized Ram at 200 which is another match run at several ranges here in VA. We do not have any 22 bpcr and lack a suitable range to shoot itout to 200. BUT, I can shoot paper at 50, 100, and 200 yards and out to 600 at any time.200 has usually been my limit with the 22 for score although I have shot 300 with it a few times.

I have a full sized chicken swinger on order and thought that the 22 with it's barrel time and velocity (1100fps) would make a good tool for training on the chickens.

I have thought about a modified 22 bpcr using 3/8 scale targets at 40,60,77,and 100m. But I am not sure that I can get enough interest to run it. Although we have 20-30 shooters for the gong matches and hunter pistol/smallbore CLA, and 10-20 for our military silhouette matches (ipsc silhouette at 300 standing with pre1950 bolt guns or semi military rifles) we don't get many people shooting full course small bore, highpower or BPCR silhouette.

Part of the reason for that is the hp range faces south east and the turkeys tend to go invisible in the sights until afternoon.

I do have highpower targets that I can shoot at full distance and the are visible. Sorry to be so long wind and I appreciate the responses.

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Re: training with the 22

Post by Maj. Forrest Smith » Fri May 27, 2016 2:42 pm

We do a lot of shooting of the .22 BPCRA game here. It's original intent was for practicing the BPCR. Crossno's liner was design, so you could use your regular BPCR rifle to practice with .22 ammo. At less cost per shot, no recoil, no reloading, but getting more of a feel of your main line rifle. The .22 game just has gotten a life of it's own now days.

We also had a .22 gong match before a big Gong match. We shot from 50 yards out to 300 yards. It was a hoot. The picture below shows the .22 targets we used. Oh, btw, the target is the black dots in the big field of the White round target. The white target was just there to see where your misses went. The top score was by Bill Corbin shooting 38 out of 48 possible. That was good shooting!
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Re: training with the 22

Post by gunlaker » Fri May 27, 2016 4:35 pm

I use my Crossno liner in a C. Sharps .45-70 for prone shooting practice sometimes. Usually at 100m, but sometimes 200m. For me the problem is that I need a good bright day to see the holes at 200m.

I find that on a calm day at 100m, with sufficiently expensive ammo such as Lapua Center X, or RWS R50, my Crossno liner will outshoot the rifle when used as a .45-70 with black powder. This is only at 100m though, by 200m things tip decidedly in favor of the .45-70 for me.

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Re: training with the 22

Post by .22Ballard » Fri May 27, 2016 5:14 pm

Practicing with a .22 is certainly good "trigger time" and I for one need all the trigger time I can get, LOL.

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Re: training with the 22

Post by Kurt » Fri May 27, 2016 6:58 pm

I do also. I even had a rifle build to match weight and feel. I thought about going with a liner, but I just don't feel like that it is a good idea to put a liner in a barrel that is shooting well. So I had one build. They are both identical except the .22 has a shorter barrel and different lever.
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Re: training with the 22

Post by John Boy » Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:59 pm

But does anyone uses a 22 specifically to train for the chickens at 200 or scaled paper targets at 200?
Brian Chilson, who is always the match winner or near the top and has a box full of chicken 10 pins ... shoots 10,000 to 12,000 22LR for practice each year on the chickens

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