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35/40 Lucas.

Post by Singleshot S.A. » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:33 am

Hi all,
I have started the ball rolling on a project rifle for 100 yd off hand and 200 yd Shutzen.
If I can work it, I'd like to go with the 35/40 Lucas.

I searched here and found a couple of posts from Kokomo and Beltfed, and am pretty impressed with what I read.
A friend in Oklahoma city, whom I met on the ASSRA Forum has one and so I asked him to contact Steve Baldwin for me which he did. I then E mailed Steve and had a conversation about the Cartridge, and in turn he sent me the Drawing (print) for the Ream design.

I will go with 1:12 because I don't need to knock Rams down at 300 yds, and I think (hope) that it might be a little easier to tune than a 1:10 with a long bullet, and, It will be used with BP.

My question here is what barrel. ? Remembering I'm in Oz, I get about 0.76c for my dollar, anything firearm related can be difficult to get across the Pacific, and last but not least. I AM NOT A MILLIONAIRE. :lol:
With out naming different companies, I see one in particular who caters to Oz very well, handles Douglas XX Premium barrels,
.357 in 1:12 twist. Is there any reason not to use a Douglas. ? I have two in .40 and they shoot very well, although they are probably 15 years old.

Any help appreciated as usual, Cheers Ian.

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Re: 35/40 Lucas.

Post by Brent » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:59 am

There is absolutely no reason to avoid a Douglas barrel. None at all.
I'm not from here, I just live here.

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Re: 35/40 Lucas.

Post by gunlaker » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:11 am

I have only two Douglas XX barrels on a CPA in .22LR and .32-40. I went with them on the advice of Gail at CPA and the gun shoots extremely well so I would use those barrels again.

I have a suspicion that most barrels are very good these days. I have barrels from all kinds of places, Shiloh, Badger, Green Mountain, Douglas, Ron Smith, BRC, and probably a few more that I have forgotten. I think they are all very good. I remember for a while people in the BPCR world thought that Badger was way superior to Green Mountain, but after shooting them I don't agree at all.

I think that the most important part is probably who chambers them, and what reamer they use.

Chris.

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Re: 35/40 Lucas.

Post by Singleshot S.A. » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:09 pm

Thanks Brent, thanks Chris.

I guessed as much. Just hoping that the cost of a Reamer and the barrel and the postage to Oz don't out weigh the fun factor.

Now.......... if things start to get out of hand price wise with buying a Ream or having the chamber cut in the States, (I am poor but happy), I will revert back to plan A1. (There's a dozen plans) :lol: ...................
As I already have one 32/40 (Martini action), I will go that way again (if the 35/40 doesn't happen) , as we have a reamer in our Club. Chris what twist do you have and what weight Projectile does it stabilise ? I see CPA advertise Douglas at 1:14 (.319) and Shilen (.320) but no twist rate shown.
The one I have is 1:16 (.320) which will stabilise my 195 grn NOE at about 1300 fps with Smokeless. Hoping to stay with .320 but at 1:14 that way I have several molds to try and can go longer / heavier.

Cheers guys. Ian.

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Re: 35/40 Lucas.

Post by gunlaker » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:26 pm

Ian I will have a look later today. I think it's a 1:14 twist. Interestingly I always have some degree of bullet tipping in my .32-40 200gr projectiles when using black powder. Smokeless shows less tipping and sometimes none.

As a result I'm not really sure what is best for .32-40 with black powder to be honest. I followed the advice of a bunch of experienced .32-40 shooters on the ASSRA forum ( and advice from Gail at CPA ) for the twist. I think the answer for me is a slightly shorter ( 185gr or so ) bullet that is a bit more aerodynamic than the Pope style bullet. Or to shoot my CPA rifles with the .38-55 barrels. I've never had show the slightest degree of tipping, even with Fg.

Chris.

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Re: 35/40 Lucas.

Post by Kurt » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:57 pm

Ian I have three recently build rifles that have XX premium barrels, a .22, .40 and a 45 the .40 I got last fall and all three rifles shoot very well. I would not think twice using Douglas barrels.
Kurt

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Re: 35/40 Lucas.

Post by gunlaker » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:57 pm

gunlaker wroteCOLON
Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:26 pm
Ian I will have a look later today. I think it's a 1:14 twist.
I just had a look at the paperwork and it's a 1:14 twist.

Chris.

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Re: 35/40 Lucas.

Post by SgtDog0311 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:47 am

Ian, Did you get my last PM over there on ASSRA? If you got steve’s drawing by now then your copy is better than the file version I was gonna send you. Mine must have been a picture I took of his drawing at his shop. Forgot I even had it! I modified mine reamer very little (think I tightened the neck diameter). Was gonna email you drawings of both versions after you said you were considering .357 groove. Pretty sure my TJ liner was .357/.348 (groove/bore). It seems like Manson charged around $200 for the reamer. Patience was and is the issue. Let me know if you get the barrel and I can help. I sent my email in that pm. Btw, my twist is only 14 and my bullet only 280gr. Seems like Crossno’s and Baldwin’s and a couple others were 11 twists and bullets were in 360 range - somewhere in there anyway. I am not shooting BPCR with mine. I’m not sure I’ve even shot BP in it. It is quite accurate at 500 yds.

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Re: 35/40 Lucas.

Post by Singleshot S.A. » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:14 pm

Hi John,

Yes I did, sorry not to acknowledge.

Yes I Emailed Steve Baldwin and he has a couple for sale. 1:10 twist for a 360 grn bullet, to knock the Rams over.

I would go 1:14 too. Life is hectic at the moment.

Cheers Ian.

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