No 4 Perfection, caliber 40-60 Everlasting?????

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No 4 Perfection, caliber 40-60 Everlasting?????

Post by beltfed » Mon May 15, 2006 4:09 pm

I recently came by the above mentioned rifle, with clean bore, and ended up purchasing same.
The bore sluggedup at 0.410", and is 18 twist.
Length of the chamber is about 2.12", and the action is Forged.
Would really appreciate if someone out there give me the cartridge case dimensions on the 40-60 Ballard Everlasting ???
I heard it is listed in Ken Howell's book, but don't have one at my disposal.

Thanks much in advance
beltfed/Arnie

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Post by marlinman93 » Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:12 pm

Are you sure you don't mean the .40-63 ballard Everlasting? The .40-63 Ballard Everlasting was simply the .40-70 Ballard in a thicker walled Everlasing case>
Marlin also chambered the Ballard in their .40-60 Marlin, which sounds more like what you have, as the .40-63 is 2.38" long. The .40-60 Marlin is 2.11 long, with a .504" base, and .604" rim. Neck is .425" outside dia. The .40-60 Marlin usually run a little smaller than .410", at around .406-.408"

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Post by Silver51 » Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:44 am

"Load From A Disk" shows the .40-60 Ballard Everlasting. Case length is 2.125", inside diameter of case mouth is 0.403, outside diameter is 0.456, outside diameter of case head is 0.461, case capacity is 52.652 grains of water and OAL is 2.805.

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Re 40-60 Ballard Everlasting

Post by beltfed » Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:15 pm

Silver 51,
Thanks for the info from Load from a Disc on this ctg.
Sorry for the late come back. I have been away from this website and my inquiry for a bit too long.

Marlinman 93, thanks, too.
The 40-60Marlin is definitely not a fit here. Case head way too big at 0.500-0.504"
And the Chamber will not accept the 2.38" length of a 40-63Everlasting
case.
Chamber Rim cut is about 0.575"dia,0.070" deep
Chamber diameter at base is about 0.469
Chamber dia at mouth of case ia about 0.459
A great fit for the 444 marlin case except for rim dia and thickness, but then bullet clearance at mouth would be huge.
I have given thoughts to necking down to correct 0.410 or so I.D. and sleeving the neck area of the 444 case with a headless 44-40 case.....
or maybe use a shortened 405 Hornady case, sleeved.

When I get back to working with this early(ser #11xx on receiver and barrel) No4 Perfection rifle, will be back in touch on this thread.
beltfed/Arnie

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Post by marlinman93 » Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:18 pm

Your easiest solution may be to contact Rocky Mountain Cartridge Co. Dave Casey can build a perfect case for your chamber from a chamber casting. Then you can use a .405 die to seat bullets when you reload.
His prices are reasonable, and you'll never wear out a case he makes!

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Post by beltfed » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:01 pm

Marlinman 93,
Yes, I could have Dave Casey make me some cases. Not a bad idea.
But I want to try to keep down the initial investment, so will probably start puttering with a few home made jury rigged cases.
I could even make up a few cases myself on the lathe from brass tubing
and etc,
regards,
beltfed/Arnie

PS, noted by your moniker:
I, too have a M93. mine is a 26" round, full mag, cal 38-55.
And a Zichang Ballard full Schuetzen, and a M1936 and a M36 and a M375.
not to mention the small bores: a M39A Mountie and a M322 , cal 222R.
Like those Marlins/Ballards

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Post by marlinman93 » Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:19 pm

Hi Beltfed!
As you can see I haven't checked back in here in a Loooooong time! Sounds like you've got a nice assortment of Marlins! I'd love to see that Zischang Ballard! He made some wonderful arms, and his conversions are highly desired!
I have a Schoyen Ballard Schuetzen rifle. .38-55 with all the usual bells and whistles. Mine is a false muzzle barrel.
Just purchased my 13th 1893 Marlin, a 32" barrel .32-40 cal. My Marlin collection consists of almost all pre WWI era Marlins and Ballards. 8-Ballards, and 48 various pre-WWI Marlins.

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Ballards/Marlins

Post by beltfed » Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:51 pm

HI Marlinman93,
Good to hear back. I, too only occasionally get into this forum lately.
Just too busy.

Have not touched nor addressed the ctg case issue with the 40-60 Everlasting . Just too much else going lately.

Yes, sounds like a very nice Marlin Collection.
Hope to get into making some cases this winter. I can shoot /fireform them at a friend's "Playhouse" out the window from the warmth.
Will get back here to relate my progress.

Best Regards, Merry Christmas - yes, it said that!, Happy New Year
Beltfed

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Post by marlinman93 » Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:28 pm

Merry Christmas to you too Beltfed!

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M1893 Marlin Mainspring

Post by beltfed » Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:55 pm

HEy, Marlinman93,


My hammer spring broke while I was out deerhunting with my M93.

Could you tell me where I might find a mainspring (hammer spring) for my 1893 Marlin?

I know that Numrich lists replacement Mainsprings for the M93,
and not too expensive. How might those be ?

Thanks,
beltfed/Arnie

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Post by marlinman93 » Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:06 pm

Steer clear of Numrich for that mainspring! They'll sell you one of their horrible piano spring replacements that are too soft, and just not right.
Wisners is the place for original repro parts for your model '93 Marlin. They've got great parts, and although a bit higher than Numrich, they're the right stuff!

http://www.wisnersinc.com/

Vall

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Re M93 parts

Post by beltfed » Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:25 pm

Marlinman93,
Thanks for the directions to wisners.
I will look them up.
Regards,
beltfed/arnie

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Zischang Ballard, #4 Perfection40-60 EV, 1 1/2, cal 40-63

Post by beltfed » Sun Mar 11, 2007 1:21 pm

Marlinman93
Hey Vall,
I posted PICS of my Zischang Ballard, and the #4 Perfection,
on the other website: www. groups.msn.com/BPCR.com
OLR also has pics there of his #1 1/2 40-63
Just don't know how to do that here.

Also, thanks again for the tip on Wisners. Just got my new M93 Mainspring and installed it last night . Works great.

beltfed/Arnie

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Ballards, Zischang ,etc

Post by beltfed » Sun Mar 11, 2007 1:27 pm

Vall,
OOPS, that website is www. groups.msn.com/BPCR

Oh, also got a lever retaining spring from Wisners for my 1881 Marlin 45 Govt, that I bought some years ago from a boyhood friend of my dad, in northern WI, His father Chris Johnson had bought it new for a bear gun.
Very good bore, and it shoots well.
Have been trying now for a couple of years to shoot a deer with it. But so far have not got a shot to take when I was carrying its 10+#.

beltfed/Arnie

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Post by marlinman93 » Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:06 pm

Hi Beltfed,
Looked at your pics at the MSN forum and I'm in love (lust?) with your Zischang Ballard! Those old schuetzen Ballards make me weak in the knees!
I picked up another Ballard today. A #3 in .25 Stevens.
I've taken deer with two of my 1881 Marlins. One with my .45-70, and another with my .38-55.
Last fall I took my #9 Union Hill Ballard out deer hunting for fun, and took a nice mule deer buck!

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